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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby Muser » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:35 pm

A while ago, you (Mev) wrote:
Hi All,

Tonight I applied the above speaker placement method to my speakers. My room is around 8m x 5m and the speakers are placed along the long wall.
I moved the speakers quite a bit more forward than before; the faces of the speakers are about 1.5m from the front wall, and they are just over 3m apart.
Speakers are slightly toed-in and the listening position is about 3.30m from the speakers, so, I'm very close to these big ATCs.

The result?
Unbelievable really. I was already over the moon with the sound, but now it's like listening to the biggest and best headphones in the world :D

I just wanted to share this so that you can also experiment with this positioning method (I used the 29% method).

Best wishes.
Mev


Mev:
What you're describing is what I was trying to get to in my post about ATC 20's being more of a nearfield speaker, with the larger speakers sounding equally precise/exact a little further away than the 20s.

I'm sure that my previous comments have faded from your memory, but on the off chance they haven't and this isn't a thread hijack, you can see/experience that ATC speakers want to be heard from a closer listening position. GamuT speakers, on the other hand want a listening position that is much further away, but provides a nearly equally precise soundstaging experience.

Well, belatedly, congratulations on finding a setup configuration that sounds good to you.

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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby MevDinc » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:33 pm

Dear Larry,

Great to hear from you, thanks for the contribution.

I may have failed to fully understand and appreciate your post :)

I think all this shows what a wonderful sound the ATCs produce. I read with disbelief comments such as "ATCs are too forward sounding, you get a lot of fatigue".

I still keep my ATC 20A Pros and you're absolutely right, they sound wonderful near-field. I guess they are designed to sit on consoles very close to the engineers!

But you can also see many monster ATC 300s placed on the wall very close to the consoles, and these engineers have to listen to their system for hours on and, the lucky they :)


I'm about 3m away from my speakers, I get a very large sound stage with great imaging, detail and very clean and deep bass.


Cheers.
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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby Musicraft » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:50 pm

MevDinc wrote:
I read with disbelief comments such as "ATCs are too forward sounding, you get a lot of fatigue".



Hi Mev

It's nonsense :D Better still i also hear ATC monitors being critisiced for being "too good" :lol:

All the best

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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby MattSPL » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:28 pm

Musicraft wrote:
MevDinc wrote:
I read with disbelief comments such as "ATCs are too forward sounding, you get a lot of fatigue".



Hi Mev

It's nonsense :D Better still i also hear ATC monitors being critisiced for being "too good" :lol:

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft


:lol: Too good? Is there such a thing? That would usually translate to 'perfect' in my book ;) :D

Cheers
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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby Shadorne » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:46 pm

It is all relative. ATC have wide even dispersion across the entire frequency response. The vast majority of speakers do NOT. In fact, most speakers tend to narrow the dispersion in the midrange which results in an overall response (direct & reflected) that has mid range dip (even if they are flat response on axis). In fact, the mid range dip is sometimes known as the "BBC dip" as it was popularized by BBC two way designs in the 70's. The design sells as it yields a speaker with boosted highs and lows relative to the mid range - a "hi-fi" sound that can also be achieved with a treble and bass boost on your amp!

So relatively speaking ATC's are more forward sounding in the mid range even if in reality they are fairly flat!
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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby Musicraft » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:17 pm

MattSPL wrote:
Musicraft wrote:
MevDinc wrote:
I read with disbelief comments such as "ATCs are too forward sounding, you get a lot of fatigue".



Hi Mev

It's nonsense :D Better still i also hear ATC monitors being critisiced for being "too good" :lol:

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft


:lol: Too good? Is there such a thing? That would usually translate to 'perfect' in my book ;) :D

Cheers
Matt


Hi Matt

:mrgreen:

All the best

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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby MevDinc » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:58 am

Rick/Matt,

Some people think ATCs are "too good to be true", it's their loss :D

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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby MattSPL » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:09 pm

MevDinc wrote:Rick/Matt,

Some people think ATCs are "too good to be true", it's their loss :D

Cheers.
Mev


Hi Mev

I think some people just tune into bass(which is often tuneless boom) while auditioning, i know i used to. I love bass, and quantity used to mean EVERYTHING to me until i heard what 'real' bass sounds like.
Now i like quality bass in proportion to the rest of the music. ATC have this art mastered 8-)

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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby Alexk » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:25 am

Fatigue comes from distortions across the upper mid and top-end in my experience - anybody ever tried listening on a pair of NS10s at length, or a pair of Dynaudios? Nothing like the transparency, resolution of midrange honesty of the ATC speakers, but damn some of these monitors get super fatiguing. I find the same with Genelec as well...

ATC monitors are up there with the most revealing speakers I have heard (incl. Dunlavy, Gethain) yet I find them completely non-fatiguing. I have 10+ hours of mixing ahead of me on my 20SLs today and am really looking forward to it...

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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby MevDinc » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:56 am

Alexk wrote:Fatigue comes from distortions across the upper mid and top-end in my experience - anybody ever tried listening on a pair of NS10s at length, or a pair of Dynaudios? Nothing like the transparency, resolution of midrange honesty of the ATC speakers, but damn some of these monitors get super fatiguing. I find the same with Genelec as well...

ATC monitors are up there with the most revealing speakers I have heard (incl. Dunlavy, Gethain) yet I find them completely non-fatiguing. I have 10+ hours of mixing ahead of me on my 20SLs today and am really looking forward to it...


Perfect point Alex, this must surely be one of the main reasons why all these mastering and mixing engineers such as yourself use ATCs.
10+ hours of happy listening and mixing to you :)

Matt, I also like a lot bass as you can tell from my system.
I was so lucky to have heard the ATC subwoofer, there was no going back to anything else after that.

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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby MattSPL » Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:30 pm

Hi Mev

I'm waiting on the day when you update your signature with a second SCM0.1-15 :D

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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby MevDinc » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:21 pm

MattSPL wrote:Hi Mev

I'm waiting on the day when you update your signature with a second SCM0.1-15 :D

Cheers
Matt


Hi Matt,

:)

I think I did state this in my earlier posts, I don't actually need/use the sub when playing music, I only use it for movies and believe me one is more than enough. :)

However, I could try the sub with the music too, I'm sure on some tracks it would make quite a bit of impact on bass :)
I need to find out how easily I could hook up the sub with my DAC.

Cheers.
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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby MattSPL » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:15 pm

Hi Mev

You would probably need either xlr 'y' splitters, or some custom made xlr cables to feed the speakers and sub from the single pair of xlr outputs on the Dac.

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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby MevDinc » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:57 pm

MattSPL wrote:Hi Mev

You would probably need either xlr 'y' splitters, or some custom made xlr cables to feed the speakers and sub from the single pair of xlr outputs on the Dac.

Cheers
Matt


Hi Matt,

Thanks for the input.

This would be not practical as I use the Sub through my Marantz when watching movies, but I could do it just for testing I guess.

I did actually try a few bass heavy tracks through the Marantz with and without the Sub. Indeed, the Sub does add quite a bit of additional slam with perfectly controlled and integrated bass.

However, the sound of Marantz is no where near as good as the Zodiac DAC's, so, I'm more than happy with the bass output of the EL 150s :).

Cheers.
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Re: MevDinc's System

Postby MattSPL » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:16 pm

Hi Mev

I think for your setup to work with a sub in the 2ch and surround setup, you would need to set it up for stereo use like your speakers, from the Dac. Then for surround use, the sub would function via the Dac like your speakers do currently, but you wouldn't have the control of the .1 ch from the Marantz anymore.

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