ATC PA-65
Re: ATC PA-65
by BenL » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:37 pm
Looks to me like new member Brad Lunde might be able to help?
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Re: ATC PA-65
by MattSPL » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:45 pm
BenL wrote:Looks to me like new member Brad Lunde might be able to help?
Hi Ben
I think you might be right
Cheers
Matt
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Re: ATC PA-65
by Brad Lunde » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:40 pm
Yes I have both heard them and sold them. They are essentially ATC 150s with a PA woofer inside, not an SL. So they do not sound like 150s, they trade low end (the stuff below 350Hz) for greater overall output SPL. The best PA speaker ever I think! These are used in some clubs in London I am told. This was years ago so I know how often these clubs change, so anyone know if Umbala still exists? I have photos of them in use there.
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Re: ATC PA-65
by MattSPL » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:02 pm
Brad Lunde wrote:Yes I have both heard them and sold them. They are essentially ATC 150s with a PA woofer inside, not an SL. So they do not sound like 150s, they trade low end (the stuff below 350Hz) for greater overall output SPL. The best PA speaker ever I think! These are used in some clubs in London I am told. This was years ago so I know how often these clubs change, so anyone know if Umbala still exists? I have photos of them in use there.
Brad
Hi Brad
Thanks for the reply
Ive just bought these(to be delivered in January) http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem ... 0762803995
They have a pair of new SL bass drivers installed, along with seas tweeters, so I'm hoping they will sound good/similar to the scmSL range. What do you think?
I recently sold my scm50 pro's, and these PA65's came up on eBay through a dealer I know. I couldn't resist.
Cheers
Matt
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Re: ATC PA-65
by Brad Lunde » Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:17 am
MattSPL wrote:
Hi Brad
Thanks for the reply
Ive just bought these(to be delivered in January) http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem ... 0762803995
They have a pair of new SL bass drivers installed, along with seas tweeters, so I'm hoping they will sound good/similar to the scmSL range. What do you think?
I recently sold my scm50 pro's, and these PA65's came up on eBay through a dealer I know. I couldn't resist.
Cheers
Matt
Well I would think that would sound close to a 150 then.
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Re: ATC PA-65
by MattSPL » Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:18 am
Ok thanks Brad
I'll let you know how I get on when they arrive.
Cheers
Matt
I'll let you know how I get on when they arrive.
Cheers
Matt
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Re: ATC PA-65
by Shadorne » Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:23 pm
Matt,
These are much smaller than the 150 and are not ported.I think you will lose bass extension compared to the 150 (about 6 dB) but the power handling will improve at high SPL and the bass will be very tight. These are specifically designed to go in clubs and to go with subwoofer(s). Probably between an SCM 50 and 100 in freq response but more like an SCM 150 in terms of output.
These are much smaller than the 150 and are not ported.I think you will lose bass extension compared to the 150 (about 6 dB) but the power handling will improve at high SPL and the bass will be very tight. These are specifically designed to go in clubs and to go with subwoofer(s). Probably between an SCM 50 and 100 in freq response but more like an SCM 150 in terms of output.
"ATC. Always The Champion. I will not record without them. The best studio monitors. Period." ~ Lenny Kravitz
Benchmark DAC3, 2 x ATC SCM EL150ASL, 1 ATC SCM 0.1/15, 2 x Genelec 8020, Roland TD-30 Drums, Pearl Ref Acoustic Kit, Ludwig brass & Pearl Ref snares, Gibson LP Supreme, Fender Precision Bass
Benchmark DAC3, 2 x ATC SCM EL150ASL, 1 ATC SCM 0.1/15, 2 x Genelec 8020, Roland TD-30 Drums, Pearl Ref Acoustic Kit, Ludwig brass & Pearl Ref snares, Gibson LP Supreme, Fender Precision Bass
Re: ATC PA-65
by MattSPL » Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:44 pm
Hi Shadorne
Thanks for the reply
Yes, I'm guessing a 65L enclosure, although the specs suggest the same bass response as the 150's, measuring -6db at 25hz. I hope to have them in a week or so, and will let you know how they perform.
Cheers
Matt
Thanks for the reply
Yes, I'm guessing a 65L enclosure, although the specs suggest the same bass response as the 150's, measuring -6db at 25hz. I hope to have them in a week or so, and will let you know how they perform.
Cheers
Matt
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Re: ATC PA-65
by Shadorne » Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:26 pm
Well this suggests they must use a different woofer than the 150 as a smaller unported box is just not going to play as loud with the same driver as in the 150. essentially you lose 3db for halving the box and another 3db for removing the port. I see Brad has suggested they use a long coil version which would make sense.
My guess is that they use something like an SL version of the ATC PA75-375 which has a much higher sensitivity than the regular SB75-375 in the 150. ATC PA series of woofers are also used by other live sound PA manufacturers as OEM.
My guess is that they use something like an SL version of the ATC PA75-375 which has a much higher sensitivity than the regular SB75-375 in the 150. ATC PA series of woofers are also used by other live sound PA manufacturers as OEM.
"ATC. Always The Champion. I will not record without them. The best studio monitors. Period." ~ Lenny Kravitz
Benchmark DAC3, 2 x ATC SCM EL150ASL, 1 ATC SCM 0.1/15, 2 x Genelec 8020, Roland TD-30 Drums, Pearl Ref Acoustic Kit, Ludwig brass & Pearl Ref snares, Gibson LP Supreme, Fender Precision Bass
Benchmark DAC3, 2 x ATC SCM EL150ASL, 1 ATC SCM 0.1/15, 2 x Genelec 8020, Roland TD-30 Drums, Pearl Ref Acoustic Kit, Ludwig brass & Pearl Ref snares, Gibson LP Supreme, Fender Precision Bass
Re: ATC PA-65
by MattSPL » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:21 am
Hi Shadorne
I've been told they are exactly the same as the 150's, except the cabinets. They have just been refurbished, including new bass drivers, tweeters and 1 new amp pack.
I'll have to wait see.
The specs I've read could be for the version Brad mentioned that use a non SL bass unit?
Cheers
Matt
I've been told they are exactly the same as the 150's, except the cabinets. They have just been refurbished, including new bass drivers, tweeters and 1 new amp pack.
I'll have to wait see.
The specs I've read could be for the version Brad mentioned that use a non SL bass unit?
Cheers
Matt
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Re: ATC PA-65
by Shadorne » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:03 pm
Let us know when you get them. I am interested in how they perform.
"ATC. Always The Champion. I will not record without them. The best studio monitors. Period." ~ Lenny Kravitz
Benchmark DAC3, 2 x ATC SCM EL150ASL, 1 ATC SCM 0.1/15, 2 x Genelec 8020, Roland TD-30 Drums, Pearl Ref Acoustic Kit, Ludwig brass & Pearl Ref snares, Gibson LP Supreme, Fender Precision Bass
Benchmark DAC3, 2 x ATC SCM EL150ASL, 1 ATC SCM 0.1/15, 2 x Genelec 8020, Roland TD-30 Drums, Pearl Ref Acoustic Kit, Ludwig brass & Pearl Ref snares, Gibson LP Supreme, Fender Precision Bass
Re: ATC PA-65
by MattSPL » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:10 pm
Will do Shadorne
Cheers
Matt
Cheers
Matt
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Re: ATC PA-65
by Shadorne » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:09 am
Here are the specs on all their drivers
http://www.spasl.com/struct/docs/ATC%20especificaciones%20altavoces.pdf
http://www.spasl.com/struct/docs/ATC%20especificaciones%20altavoces.pdf
"ATC. Always The Champion. I will not record without them. The best studio monitors. Period." ~ Lenny Kravitz
Benchmark DAC3, 2 x ATC SCM EL150ASL, 1 ATC SCM 0.1/15, 2 x Genelec 8020, Roland TD-30 Drums, Pearl Ref Acoustic Kit, Ludwig brass & Pearl Ref snares, Gibson LP Supreme, Fender Precision Bass
Benchmark DAC3, 2 x ATC SCM EL150ASL, 1 ATC SCM 0.1/15, 2 x Genelec 8020, Roland TD-30 Drums, Pearl Ref Acoustic Kit, Ludwig brass & Pearl Ref snares, Gibson LP Supreme, Fender Precision Bass
Re: ATC PA-65
by MattSPL » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:03 pm
Thanks for the link Shadorne
ATC certainly make a good selection of drive units. I'll be tempted to see what's inside the PA-65's when they arrive. I'm hoping they arrive today, but it could after the weekend.
Cheers
Matt
ATC certainly make a good selection of drive units. I'll be tempted to see what's inside the PA-65's when they arrive. I'm hoping they arrive today, but it could after the weekend.
Cheers
Matt
Sony BDP-S790 > Matrix Quattro Dac > Digidesign RM2's with SB Acoustics drivers > 2 x DIY Dayton Audio UM18-22 Sub
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