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ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby Tmsulcata » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:42 pm

Hi, I just learn this new ATC SCM100SE model from Hong Kong.

New Tweeter, Anniversary Amp, new cabinet, price tag at HKD300k (approx. 23K Pond / 38.5k USD)

Hong Kong HiFi magazine review with Ben Lilly


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HemK1auwyzU

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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby MevDinc » Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:35 pm

Looks stunning!
and, finally the S tweeter seems to be ready :D
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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby MattSPL » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:16 pm

I bet they sound fantastic :D
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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby AlmaataKZ » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:08 pm

Very interesting to see a new model! Would be great to hear more details about the design.

Wdyt about the looks?
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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby Tmsulcata » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:37 am

the ataKZ wrote:Very interesting to see a new model! Would be great to hear more details about the design.

Wdyt about the looks?


Here a HK website details, with some photos of the new 100

http://www.feversound1.com/140408-atc/

I found the design is not new, a prototype appeared 2 to 3 years ago.

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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby Shadorne » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:40 am

Awesome. Ben Lilly tells the truth too! The fact is Seas and Excel make great tweeters already. I am interested to know the incremental improvement ATC has been able to eek out! I am not obsessed by tweeters though - mid range and bass are the hardest bits to get right and thankfully ATC have been doing that for many years.
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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby Brad Lunde » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:45 pm

Shadorne wrote:Awesome. Ben Lilly tells the truth too! The fact is Seas and Excel make great tweeters already. I am interested to know the incremental improvement ATC has been able to eek out! I am not obsessed by tweeters though - mid range and bass are the hardest bits to get right and thankfully ATC have been doing that for many years.


Its a dual suspension tweeter with a giant motor, like the mid dome. Its got two versions: standard power in SCM7 thru 40 and high power in hi fi SCM50 thru 150.

Sounds quite different to me from SEAS or VIFA models (in the same model speaker). Easiest to hear this comparing the new SCM19s vs any previous passive 20s, new 11s vs old, new 7s vs old 10s. Like the ATC tweeter is not as bright but still covers the entire high end; it sounds smoother overall; more like "one speaker" now. I am left wanting to say it integrates with the mid better. If you did not hear them next to each other, you might not notice a major difference, but its a significant improvement to my ears.

On the SCM100SE's, we have not seen our first pair in the US yet, the first pair was shipped to HK and and shown at a show. I believe the final speaker is still being completed, as the high power tweeter production is still not into full production, only very small batches. No shipment yet on pro models with the high power tweeter.

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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby ATCfan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:26 am

This doesn't look like a drop-in upgrade. Since the new tweeters are more sensitive, for active speakers they will need to reduce the gain of the tweeter amplifiers in order to match those of the mid and bass drivers. For passive speakers, they will have to modify the high frequency crossover.

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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby junk » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:02 pm

Will there be 50SE as well?

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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby Dogill » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:48 pm

From the pictures and video on the Feversound website it seems the new model doesn't have those unsightly cooling fins any longer - instead cooling grills in the rear of the top - GREAT !!
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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby Shadorne » Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:28 pm

Brad Lunde wrote:
Its a dual suspension tweeter with a giant motor, like the mid dome. Its got two versions: standard power in SCM7 thru 40 and high power in hi fi SCM50 thru 150.

Brad


Dual suspension - so no ferrofluid needed to help centring. The transient response should be better and it should have a broader frequency range than the regular ferrofluid filled tweeters. Since it is fabric it should be well behaved (damped) without nasty resonances in the upper frequencies. If they get it right then it should have a frequency range closer to light weight metal/ceramic tweeters but without the nasty resonances usually associated with rigid drivers (rigid drivers are like a bell - they all tend to resonate at characteristic frequencies). I have not heard it but the clarity should be excellent if they got it right. Hopefully they are bullet proof too (with the addition of ferrofluid the number of blown tweeters decreased dramatically due to better heat dissipation - so heat dissipation could be more challenging). Without ferrofluid they will probably need to get the manufacturing tolerances much tighter to ensure the coil cools properly. This is probably a very expensive upgrade as these dual suspension tweeters are probably not easy to make.
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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby Dogill » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:14 am

The only other similar tweeter I can think of is the one made by Swiss company PSI Audio, and they point out how difficult it is to make a fluidless tweeter.
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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby artist » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:41 am

When will this be available in the uk

My next upgrade i think

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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby Blzebub » Tue May 06, 2014 12:12 am

MevDinc wrote:Looks stunning!
and, finally the S tweeter seems to be ready :D


"Stunning", as in "utterly hideous"? What came over them?
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Re: ATC SCM100SE new model

Postby MevDinc » Tue May 06, 2014 3:52 pm

I meant the new ATC Super tweeter :)
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