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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby Alexk » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:05 pm

Absolutely.

The SCM40 active is around the same ballpark price as the SCM25 which makes it a pretty good deal in my books!

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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby AlmaataKZ » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:15 pm

Anybody knows the width of the back facet of the 40s? I am after the width of the new amp pack on them so if anybody knows that then even better.
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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby Zulef » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:02 pm

Just got back from a holiday and saw this great news. This is probably best move from Atc. 3way floorstander that can actually fit normal living rooms. Shame they are overcharging the amps. Difference between passive and active version of 50s towers is 4000 eur. Check it out here.
http://www.studio-hifi.com/review.php?s ... =3&lang=en.

For 3000 gbp you can get much better amplification, from specialised manufacturers to drive 40s.
It seems Atc is aware of active 40s appeal and will overcharge them while they can. You can do it better in passive but for active $$$$ you got to show the money :D
I'll have to wait for a used pair. Something tells me it'l be much easier than chasing tower 20a.

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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby studio-hifi » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:20 pm

AlmaataKZ wrote:Anybody knows the width of the back facet of the 40s? I am after the width of the new amp pack on them so if anybody knows that then even better.


Hi AlmaataKZ,

Here is a document from ATC website, but SCM40 missing: http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/CBS01revA.pdf

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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby darrenyeats » Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:30 pm

Zulef wrote:Just got back from a holiday and saw this great news. This is probably best move from Atc. 3way floorstander that can actually fit normal living rooms. Shame they are overcharging the amps. Difference between passive and active version of 50s towers is 4000 eur. Check it out here.
http://www.studio-hifi.com/review.php?s ... =3&lang=en.

For 3000 gbp you can get much better amplification, from specialised manufacturers to drive 40s.
It seems Atc is aware of active 40s appeal and will overcharge them while they can. You can do it better in passive but for active $$$$ you got to show the money :D
I'll have to wait for a used pair. Something tells me it'l be much easier than chasing tower 20a.

Take into account it's six channels of amplification plus of course the active crossover. Comparing with a 2 ch amp isn't fair.

I would never say absolutely everything must be better with active amplification, just that active amplification gives many advantages not possible with a conventional amp+passive crossover. http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/show ... tcount=106

Bolting some amps on the back would be referred to as merely 'powered', this would make a simpler comparison to alternative amps. 'Active' is quite different.
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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby Alexk » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:04 pm

Zulef wrote:Just got back from a holiday and saw this great news. This is probably best move from Atc. 3way floorstander that can actually fit normal living rooms. Shame they are overcharging the amps. Difference between passive and active version of 50s towers is 4000 eur. Check it out here.
http://www.studio-hifi.com/review.php?s ... =3&lang=en.

For 3000 gbp you can get much better amplification, from specialised manufacturers to drive 40s.
It seems Atc is aware of active 40s appeal and will overcharge them while they can. You can do it better in passive but for active $$$$ you got to show the money :D
I'll have to wait for a used pair. Something tells me it'l be much easier than chasing tower 20a.


Very much disagree that it could be done better in passive! An active setup is vastly superior, a huge leap forward in every way imaginable. Phase coherency, IM distortion, high SPL performance, driver damping, harmonic distortion, etc... All things which cannot be completely avoided in a passive crossover.

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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby Zulef » Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:12 pm

What I meant is you can do much better using other brands electronics with passive atc speakers than using everything from atc. If you want to go active, there is only one choice. There is no debate passive vs active...
I think amplification and digital sources is what atc is not very good at. Charging 3000 gbp is the same amount as it is charged for 50s amp packs which have a bit more power an it is a bit over the top. Well if you look at prices of second hand gear, you can see that many agree atc Rrp prices are to high.

And yes you have to subtract passive crossovers and casework which often represents the bulk of cost of an amp. Then you add power amps and active crossover. I think it is cheaper active as long as you are not talking about class a.

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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby MattSPL » Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:58 pm

I think ATC's pricing is very reasonable. Yes you can buy cheaper, but I doubt of the same quality.

Take a look at PMC's prices and then you will see who is too expensive. A small/mid sized 2 way active standmount(twotwo.6) costs :EDIT: about £5000 They seem to have come down in price since their launch.
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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby Musicraft » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:51 pm

AlmaataKZ wrote:Anybody knows the width of the back facet of the 40s? I am after the width of the new amp pack on them so if anybody knows that then even better.


Hi AlmaataKZ

The amp measures 420mm x 150mm.

Btw, curved SCM40 has the same foot print as the curved SCM19's.

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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby Zulef » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:16 am

MattSPL wrote:I think ATC's pricing is very reasonable. Yes you can buy cheaper, but I doubt of the same quality.

Take a look at PMC's prices and then you will see who is too expensive. A small/mid sized 2 way active standmount(twotwo.6) costs :EDIT: about £5000 They seem to have come down in price since their launch.


Disagree. Many things can be justified in relative terms. In absolute terms this is a very expensive hobby. Spending 20k for a sound system is hardly reasonable by any standard :D. It is true some hiend names in the industry went crazy with their prices and relative to that, atc prices seem reasonable. I still do not see a great value in AB class power amps without casework etc. for 3000 gbp. I doubt the cost of production amounts to a 1000. I may be wrong, however it is not unusual prices of second hand Atc speakers to fall 50% after just a few years of use.

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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby fidelityaudio » Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:40 pm

Being an electronics engineer and working on a lot of equipment at varying degrees of cost I would say the ATC amplifiers offer amazing value. The circuit design is superb and capable of huge amounts of current. They are reliable and out perform amps costing twice the price.

Lowering the output from 200W to 150W is not a massive money saving issue for ATC. I believe it is more a case of making it different and slightly lower spec than the 50's. The P1 circuit is 150W/CH where the P2 is 200W/CH. The difference is an extra set of output transistors (+ resistors to couple up) and a larger VA transformer 500VA to 600VA (this is so the higher voltage required for the higher power can still give the same current as in the P1). I believe the SCM40A circuit is pretty much the P1 circuit and SCM50A the P2. Cost wise they will be nearly the same to produce.
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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby Dogill » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:02 pm

If professional studios pay over £ 7,000 for an SCM25 , and there is a waiting list, then it's not just an "expensive hobby" - these are very realistic prices for a high-quality product when many recording engineers quibble about prices as you can see on Gearslutz
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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby MattSPL » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:48 pm

Hi Zulef

I understand what you mean saying 3000euro increase for the amplifiers is expensive. I agree, but I think to find the same quality and performance from external amplification would cost more, and not be as neat and tidy as amp packs, so I still think they offer good value.

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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby Zulef » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:34 pm

It's 3000 GBP. Yes I forgot, for a business investing in HQ, reliable equipment, that is something else ... I doubt studios will buy 40s.
As for the amp, you can check it out yourselves by comparing a few integrated amps. Go and demo something like Electrocompaniet, some english brands... maybe even a 10 year old Gryphon. I gurantee you'll hear what's what. Sounds better than amps twice the price, come on :lol:

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Re: ATC curved SCM40 Active

Postby darrenyeats » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:14 pm

Zulef,
Bigger active PMCs cost a fortune ... they use Bryston amplification and I can tell you six channels (not two) of Bryston plus active crossovers costs more than £10k for the IB2S!

It doesn't mean everyone has to think it's value for money - that's another matter and everyone has their own choice. My point is, comparing two channel integrated or power amps to six channels of active amplification isn't comparing like with like. They are quite different things.

But it is expensive, many would say a lot of audio in general is too expensive, I do agree with that. I don't like high prices.

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